I did a study and found family values presented in the bible to be horrible! What are biblical family values?
there are plenty of examples of terrible family behavior like cain and abel (murdering a sibling) abraham and sarai/hagar (sleeping with your wife’s slave and then kicking her and her son to the curb), etc… I won’t keep going. Jesus himself said in so many words that we must give up our attachments to our families to truly become christian. As a studious christian living with the real book in the real world, it bothers me to hear people talk about biblical family values! Have you people ever even read the bible?
please tell me the scriptural basis of these "biblical family values" because it seems so silly to me.
well, let’s start off with something. You are CLEARLY NOT a "studious christian living with the real book in the real world" because if you were you wouldn’t come on here and mock the word of a holy and righteous God.
To answer your other question, as if you are really interested, read Ephesians 5.
To get truly saved, see below.
Read the entire bible — it gets MUCH worse. For example:
If a woman doesn’t cry out while being raped in the city, her head is to be smashed in with rocks:
"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city." — Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Female virgin prisoners are to be kept as spoils of war:
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." — Numbers 31:15-18
If a man rapes a virgin and is caught, he has to pay her father 50 shekels of silver…and SHE MUST MARRY HER ATTACKER.
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. — Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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There are many examples of what not to do in the Bible. There are also many examples of how to live.
Here is part of the description of how husbands and wives should treat each other:
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Eph 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Discipline of Children: Lessons from Proverbs: http://www.ccwtoday.org/article_view.asp?article_id=204
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The Holy Bible and http://www.ccwtoday.org/article_view.asp?article_id=204
well, let’s start off with something. You are CLEARLY NOT a "studious christian living with the real book in the real world" because if you were you wouldn’t come on here and mock the word of a holy and righteous God.
To answer your other question, as if you are really interested, read Ephesians 5.
To get truly saved, see below.
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The source for all truth – God’s word.
Are you a good person? Here’s a quick test. Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Have you looked with lust? Will you be guilty on Judgment Day? If you have done those things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer-at-heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. That’s not God’s will. He sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for you. Jesus took your punishment upon Himself. "God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please, repent (turn from sin) today and trust in Jesus, and God will grant you everlasting life.
You are absolutely right. You don’t know what Christian family values are all about until you read it in the Bible! Fortunately Christians borrow their morality from secular sources!
The Bible writers created the story of the Jewish God that is worshipped by gullible Christians today mainly in America. This God forced the Jews to eat their own children for dinner NOT AS A PUNISHMENT, but as an option in times of famine. Not even as an option, but as the “WILL OF GOD!” God NEVER objected about slaughtering and cooking children for dinner. God won’t let the Jews eat pigs, but children YES! The Preachers are very dishonest people always covering up anything negative in the Bible! They do it to protect their source of income! I dropped out of Christianity and religion after many years serving in the Christian ministry! The Bible was written to control low IQ religious people who need to pay a 10% (TITHE) crutch to function in this world. Any religion back then was as barbaric as you can’t possibly imagine. The Bible is a hangover from those days…
God is totally powerless to teach any lesson without FORCING the Jews to eat their own children for dinner. The Bible writers say that Palestine was a “Land Flowing with Milk and Honey” ONLY before the Israelite invasion. The former dwellers used to live in plenty! After the invasion SURPRISE!!! suddenly the “milk and honey” stopped flowing! So now the Bible writers are promising to Israel that “God will make the desert to blossom like a rose!” The perennial carrot hanging at the end of the stick is working!
God’s sadistic pleasures are the kinkiest ones ever to be imagined! None of the “Godless” dictators in the world EVER thought of forcing his people to eat their own children for dinner…! That is so repulsive that no smut publication is publishing anything like that either, but any pervert preacher can discreetly enjoy reading all about it in the Holy Bible! The rest of Christians are totally brainwashed with the GOD IS LOVE bit! No wonder the Clergy hid the Bible from public view for so many centuries! To their great relief hardly any Christian today pays attention to what they read in the Bible!
Leviticus 26:29 – (God is impatiently saying) YOU WILL eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters* (*without warning of any evil! Christians are trained to believe that no matter how pervert it may sound “if God says it I believe it… and that settles it!”)
Deuteronomy 28:53-57 – Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege* (*God is conditioning the mind of the Israelites 700 Bible years into the future! In our society today anybody promoting the idea of any crime like that is put in jail!), YOU WILL EAT THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB, THE FLESH OF THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS the LORD your God has given you* (*God WILL NOT do anything to protect the innocent children, but his chosen people will enjoy eating them…! Praise the LORD! Sweet Jesus… Amen?) Even the most gentle and sensitive man* (*not a sinful homosexual or a Godless atheist, but a CHOSEN CHILD OF GOD!) among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his SURVIVING children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating…* (*Not sharing is “THE SIN”! Only repugnant wanking perverts would write anything like this in a religious book like the Bible!)
Jeremiah 19:9 I* (*God, NOT SATAN, but GOD!) WILL MAKE THEM EAT THE FLESH OF THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS* (This sick God has to FORCE the Jews to eat their own children! During the real historic Roman siege of “Masada” [do Google] all the Jewish families killed themselves before even dreaming about eating their own children!)
God won’t force the Jews to eat PIGS, but their own children YES! The Bible writers say that when the 666 mark will be instituted Christians won’t be able to buy or sell food without it. Based on Bible precedents, will the heart bleeding Christians of the Westboro orientation eat their own children for dinner? Christians would deny it or say that if God forced the Jews to do it, it was because the Jews were very “sinful”!
Ezekiel 5:10 – Therefore in your midst fathers WILL EAT THEIR CHILDREN…
Any kind of secular government would offer its citizens better protection than the Bible God. They would certainly allow them to eat pork instead of children! It took Moses 2 men to carry a single cluster of gigantic size grapes to show Israel how plentiful was the Land of Palestine that they were going to invade (Num 13:23)! It was a trick in the Bible script to motivate well fed Jews into COVETING* (*the heck with the 10 Commands!) to leave Egypt and to invade the Holy Land of plenty! (BTW, there is not a shred of historical evidence that millions of slave Jews ever lived in Egypt, but what the heck!) Now the Jews can eat their own children in the Holy Land for God’s kinky pleasure! Actually, for the pleasure of the wanking Bible writers and some discreet Bible readers today!
Lamentations 4:10 – With their own hands COMPASSIONATE WOMEN* (*GODLY WOMEN…! Not lesbians or atheistic ladies, but “MANY” God loving heterosexual ladies) HAVE COOKED THEIR OWN CHILDREN…!
Here is a case in FULL EXPLICIT CONTEXT in the Bible that is IMPOSSIBLE for any Preacher to “spiritualize” and make it go away!
2 Kings 6:26-29 As the king of Israel was passing by on the wall, a woman cried to him, “Help me, my lord the king* (*a God related King)!” The king replied, “If the Lord does not help you, where can I get help for you? Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?” She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’ So we cooked my son and ate him* (*BTW… it came out delicious!). The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him, but she had hidden him!* (*God cursed woman! She cheated!)
They were all COMPASSIONATE Godly, non-Atheistic, heterosexual women that HAVE SLAUGHTERED AND COOKED THEIR OWN CHILDREN FOR DINNER at the tune of “The LORD is my Shepherd I shall not want” (Psa 23)!
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I* (*God) WILL NOT FORGET YOU!* (*I’ll make her eat the child! Hey, not even Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is that scary! God must have a serious psychopathic disorder and ought to see a shrink or rather put the Bible writers in jail!)
The last bunch of Bible writers claim that God the Son Jesus Christ was beaten to a pulp thoroughly tenderized and heavily marinated in Roman soldiers’ spit to become the dignified “Lamb of God” grotesquely nailed totally naked to the Holy Cross to cleanse the World from “sin.” BTW, the Roman soldiers never dressed the genital area of their victims with a white diaper! The Christians snack Jesus ROMAN SPIT FLAVORED MEAT AND DRINK HIS HOLY BLOOD to go to Heaven when they die! (John 6:53) The eating of children is part of the BIBLE tale so the forever snacking on the Jesus Christ in the Holy Communion is not half that bad!
The Bible writers say that God’s enemies ought to be killed in their infancy when it is easier to get rid of them (Amen?)
Psalm 137:8-9 – O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, HAPPY is he who repays you for what you have done to us* (*Holy Vendetta! The heck with “giving the other cheek!”) –he who seizes your infants and DASHES them against the rocks.
Needed abortions today are for HUMANE reasons! Only the fetus is destroyed not a born child! God requires that the children be dashed to pieces or slaughters and cooked for dinner after they are born! God’s Chosen People are promised to ravish some horny ladies while slaughtering their children!
Isaiah 13:16 (KJV) Their little ones also WILL BE DASHED TO PIECES before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished…. (the wanking Bible writers claim that some ladies of God’s enemies will be ravished to their delight while their children are being DASHED TO PIECES – God is conditioning the mind of his chosen people for this sort of depravity!)
God the Son Jesus Christ is hardly any better than his Daddy God!
Revelation 2:23 (In his apocalyptic “revelation” Jesus Christ says) I WILL STRIKE HER CHILDREN DEAD* (*No abortionist can beat Jesus at killing babies –not destroying fetuses, but killing children! God the Father forced Israel to eat their children for dinner now God the Son Jesus Christ promised to kill the children in the wrong Churches so they can learn a lesson on WHO IS THE BOSS. To add insult to injury, preachers are getting rich selling books on Jesus’ love for the little children of the world! Today, Jesus Christ would be in jail for bullying about killing any child to favor a particular brand of faith!) Then ALL THE CHURCHES WILL KNOW that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.* (*Not even the Mafia talks like that in public!)
The bottom line is that the Bible was written by a bunch of wanking perverts. Christians are brainwashed to disregard all the crap in the Bible that they hardly read!
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The bible tells the truth of what people did, but it doesn’t say that God supported this. Furthermore, you’re assuming that living in the ancient middle east was like living at home and going out to the grocery store — it wasn’t! Life was brutal back then.
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I don’t think enough people really understand the context in which the bible was written and the changes that occurred to it over the course of its existence.
There are good things and good lessons in the bible don’t get me wrong. But I think that for this religion and this document to continue to be as effective in the modern era we really have to think about teaching the CONTEXT of these rules and stories. They really are not self-evident with out studying material from other sources.
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The Bible talks about many positive family values. I can’t give you chapter and verse, but I can tell you where to look. In your concordance and index in the back of the Bible. Look under…Husbands and under…WIVES…and you will find many things that talk about what marriage is.
Also you can look at the word parent or child and find many references to positive family values regarding parenting.
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Its not so much of getting ride of your family that God tells you that you must do. God is basicly saying that you must put him above your family. We as people tend to put ties between use and our families, where anything are family says or does can get in the way of our a relationship with God. Sometimes we over ride Gods authority with are families values and opinions.
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You are a very confused person. Yes the Covenant of the Law was very harsh. It tolerated no disobedience or breaking of the rules. But Messiah revealed God’s will which was that we should love and respect one another, that women are mens ontologically equals (a thought inconceivable to any at that time), Children were gifts from God to be cherished and cared for and trained up in the right way to act (no drunkedness, no perverse or promiscious sex, no pedophilia, rape, stealing, murder, and so on). Everyone deserved to be housed, healed, protected from predators, educated, fed, and more.
Despite the Roman Catholic Church in the middle ages and a minority of lunk head political Right wing nuts stealing the label "Evangelical" in our time, Christianity has been the most positive force in the World, freeing more slaves, raising the awareness of human rights, causing women and children to gain growing equality, has and still does feed millions, house millions, get medical attention to millions, stared more universities and hospitals and caresd for more orphans than any ten nations combined and we ask for no tax dollars to do it…when Jesus performed the loaves and fishes it never stopped.
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the bible tells what people did. its not saying go sleep with a slave but don’t do these unmoral things. have you EVEN read the ten commandments. " thou shall not kill” and "Do not commit adultery." which means don’t cheat on your wife or have impure thoughts of other women.
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i appreciated the honesty found in the bible. Ex. King David. A truly word of God . We are lucky to read and learned the ugly side.
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