Is prayer asking God to change natural law on behalf of oneself or others?
I’m a little confused about some ideas on prayer such as the admonition to go into a closet to pray and God knows what you need before you pray. If God knows what we need and He has established a natural order of things and is all powerful, wise and loving, do we really need to pray? Isn’t prayer just a request to upset the apple cart?
You ask a very good question.
Going into a closet to pray is the illustration God uses in Scripture because, in Bible times, self-righteous religious folk would sometimes make a spectacle of themselves by praying in public so others might see how "pious" they were. That did not please God.
Then, of course, the Almighty, Infinite God knows all about us; hence, He knows what we need — and not only that, but what we will need at all times and at any given point in our lives.
You inquire, next, about God overriding His own laws. Yes, sometimes God does supersede His own laws. He knows all about everything and, therefore, knows all the ramifications of such interference. We humans cannot possibly know all of those things. And if He does choose to override natural laws which He, Himself, has set in place — commonly called " miracles" — you can be sure He knows exactly what He is doing.
But . . . all of this deals with the OUTSIDE world, circumstances outside of the individual.
So, now I must ask you. Have you ever considered that perhaps prayer is not only about things and “outside” circumstances but is also about what prayer does for, and to, us — deep INSIDE our own hearts?
The Bible states in Romans 8:28 that “All things work together for good to them who are the called according to His purpose.” But the thought doesn’t stop there. Verse 29 continues . . . “that we may be conformed to the image of His Son.”
Wow! Think about that!
God wants us to think like Him! To think like His Son, Jesus. We are told to have “the mind of Christ.” He desires that we become like Him.
Now, please think of your best friend. How did you become friends? By spending time together. How do you get to know your God? The same way. By spending time with Him.
As you spend time with your friend — and, likewise, as you spend time with your God — you get to know the personality of each. You learn how they think.
There are many reasons to pray — and most of them are good. Many of us pray to God in times of trouble. But how many do you suppose pray to Him in the good times — or just to talk with Him? Do you suppose spending time in the presence of the Almighty God might effect a change in a person’s heart? In their outlook on life? Especially if this individual began to thank God for all He has done? Even praise Him? (Do you think this focus might change any one of us for the better? )
This is not just a mental or spiritual exercise. There really is a Person at the other end of our prayers.
Surely, then, we can pray for those things which we need in our lives. God does answer those prayers; sometimes Yes, sometimes No, sometimes Wait.
But maybe — just maybe — prayer is not only about changing “things.” Perhaps it is also — maybe even a whole lot more — about changing us! : )
You are right, nature, or natural order as you say it is like a law, carries on regardless of what we are wishing for.
Here is a video that can explain what prayer really is, or should be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mFRUGDY8Ao
All the best!
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its sharing your life with the lord if you don’t have a relationship with him and share your daily events when you go to heaven he may say who are you
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prayer is an invitation. prayer is saying, "okay, God. you know everything and everything that’s going to happen. so guide me, i open myself up to you, I allow you to interfere" well, that’s not a full explanation of prayer, but it’s one example; something like what i pray when i’ve let too many things in my life pile up. in the beginning, God gave man rule over the earth. Therefore if we want Him to interfere in certain areas that we’ve tried to have full control over, we invite Him to interfere on our behalf. this is called relationship.
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When I first asked myself Why on earth would he give me free will if he knew what was already gonna happen?!", I realized something fishy was going on. Prayer is just one of those things invented to keep the masses of the real problem. "PRAY and Everything will be okay".Im honestly not very smart but someone told me that Pilate adapted christianity simply to keep roman society going the way he wanted it too. it doesn’t take a genius to figure how well the construct of religion and society fit together. So to answer your question, save yourself the trouble, god probably exists in some form or the other, and if he does, he surely doesn’t want you to get get on your knees and pray for him. Don’t insult a higher entity/being by bringing it down to our level.
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What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.
This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus — according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.
If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens. The fact is, God never answers any prayers. The entire idea that "God answers prayers" is an illusion created by human imagination.
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REALITY..
All that is True BUT what good is all that Truth to someone who lacks Faith?
God wants us to have Faith in Him. Relying on God for something we need requires prayer because prayer requires Faith.
Praying to God is an act of Faith.
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You ask a very good question.
Going into a closet to pray is the illustration God uses in Scripture because, in Bible times, self-righteous religious folk would sometimes make a spectacle of themselves by praying in public so others might see how "pious" they were. That did not please God.
Then, of course, the Almighty, Infinite God knows all about us; hence, He knows what we need — and not only that, but what we will need at all times and at any given point in our lives.
You inquire, next, about God overriding His own laws. Yes, sometimes God does supersede His own laws. He knows all about everything and, therefore, knows all the ramifications of such interference. We humans cannot possibly know all of those things. And if He does choose to override natural laws which He, Himself, has set in place — commonly called " miracles" — you can be sure He knows exactly what He is doing.
But . . . all of this deals with the OUTSIDE world, circumstances outside of the individual.
So, now I must ask you. Have you ever considered that perhaps prayer is not only about things and “outside” circumstances but is also about what prayer does for, and to, us — deep INSIDE our own hearts?
The Bible states in Romans 8:28 that “All things work together for good to them who are the called according to His purpose.” But the thought doesn’t stop there. Verse 29 continues . . . “that we may be conformed to the image of His Son.”
Wow! Think about that!
God wants us to think like Him! To think like His Son, Jesus. We are told to have “the mind of Christ.” He desires that we become like Him.
Now, please think of your best friend. How did you become friends? By spending time together. How do you get to know your God? The same way. By spending time with Him.
As you spend time with your friend — and, likewise, as you spend time with your God — you get to know the personality of each. You learn how they think.
There are many reasons to pray — and most of them are good. Many of us pray to God in times of trouble. But how many do you suppose pray to Him in the good times — or just to talk with Him? Do you suppose spending time in the presence of the Almighty God might effect a change in a person’s heart? In their outlook on life? Especially if this individual began to thank God for all He has done? Even praise Him? (Do you think this focus might change any one of us for the better? )
This is not just a mental or spiritual exercise. There really is a Person at the other end of our prayers.
Surely, then, we can pray for those things which we need in our lives. God does answer those prayers; sometimes Yes, sometimes No, sometimes Wait.
But maybe — just maybe — prayer is not only about changing “things.” Perhaps it is also — maybe even a whole lot more — about changing us! : )
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The Holy Bible
Very good question. Natural law cannot be changed and prayer is only a request for our nature to change. All of nature besides humanity acts in complete harmony. Humans on the other hand act against nature, using each other for our own egoistic ends. This creates the imbalance that we find ourselves in. Until we come to recognize our nature, for what it is, we will continue to get pushed by natures blows.
We need to want to change our nature, and only by desiring change from the bottom of our hearts will we know God. Indeed our reversal of intention, towards the upper nature is the only prayer that will be answered.
If you are interested in learning about the method, to alleviate our suffering and help align ourselves with nature, here is a short clip about prayer:
http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/kabbalah-video-clips/prayer
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