Astrotheology

DID JESUS TURN WATER INTO WINE? ?

Are you aware that this "same" tale is found in other mythologies and is part of the solar mythos and one of many stories taken from Astrotheology concerning various prior "sungods" existing thousands of years before the New Testament’s Jesus?

Are you aware that long before the Christian era, Dionysus/Bacchus was said to turn water into wine?

To some extent Dionysus and Christ had many things in common. Christ was also associated with blood and the vine, and many myths and attributes of Dionysus were used in early Christian iconography.
Why dont you read the details.

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you believe what you want. i will too. i believe in the truth.

The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position?

From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160

The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position

The Evemerist Position:

"Evemerism represents the perspective that many of the gods and goddesses of antiquity had been real people, such as kings, queens and other heroes and legendary figures, to whose biographies were later added extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes."

vs.

The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

This has been passe for about 30 years now, since the updating and revisionist view of Fraser’s Golden Bough as acomplished by Rene Girard.

This is only 6 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HS3wD0HNfI&feature=channel

The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position?

From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160

The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position

The Evemerist Position:

"Evemerism represents the perspective that many of the gods and goddesses of antiquity had been real people, such as kings, queens and other heroes and legendary figures, to whose biographies were later added extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes."

vs.

The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

This has been passe for about 30 years now, since the updating and revisionist view of Fraser’s Golden Bough as acomplished by Rene Girard.

This is only 6 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HS3wD0HNfI&feature=channel

Religion: the Misinterpretation of Ancient Mythology?

"Religion: the Misinterpretation of Ancient Mythology

All of the major religions are based on an ancient astrotheology that employed metaphors and mythology to descibe the cosmos and various astronomical phenomena. The ancient astrotheology began in the Upper Paleolithic and it spread with the migrations of humankind throughout the world. The beliefs of the ancient astrotheology were originally relatively consistent throughout the various human cultures of the world, but regional variations developed that became the major religions.

Gradually, people everywhere forgot the original meaning of the metaphors and mythologies of the ancient astrotheology, and they now interpret those metaphors and mythologies in ways that show no comprehension of the original meaning. Jesus Christ/Yeshe Krishna is obviously the sun god, but many modern Christians and Hindus believe that Christ/Krishna was once a real person who walked the earth.

Not realizing that their interpretation of their own religion’s mythology is a false interpretation, people hold superstitions, prejudices, and erroneous world-views based on their misinterpretations of their own religion’s mythology. For example, many Christians believe that no one can attain ‘Salvation’ without accepting Jesus Christ (the mythological sun god) as their ‘Personal Savior’.

In the cycle of the Precession of the Equinoxes, it takes seventy-two years for the Equinoxes to precess backward one degree of the three hundred and sixty degrees of the ecliptic, the path of the sun. That is the astrotheological meaning of the ‘seventy-two virgins’ that the Islamic hero recieves in Paradise.

The sun god Jesus Christ ‘walked on water’ because the people of the ancient world saw the ecliptic, the path of the sun, as an interface between the cosmic sky and the cosmic sea. Greek mythology described the personified constellation of Orion, which is bisected at the waist by the ecliptic, as walking in the ocean up to his waist, with his upper body in the sky.

Throughout history wars, persecutions, and oppression have been perpetrated as a result of the misinterpretation of mythology. All of the recieved literatures of the major religions contain some philosophical content that provides ethical advice for human affairs. The philosophical traditions of the major religions may be appreciated without accepting the mythological traditions. One can appreciate the philosophies of the "Sermon on the Mount" or of the Bhagavad Gita without believing that Jesus Christ or Yeshe Krishna ever lived on earth or anywhere else.

Religious believers who interpret mythology as the literal truth have failed to understand the metaphors of the original astrotheology that composed the myths. As a result, the believers of misconstrued mythologies maintain a world-view that perpetuates fantasies, superstitions, and prejudices based on a misinterpretation of the ancient mythologies.

The mythological content of the traditional religions should correctly be interpreted as ancient astrotheology — not as the literal truth of gods, supermen, and theriomorphs. Nor are the mythologies an embellished history of real people and their exploits. The records and artworks of the ancient mythologies can provide scholars with insights into the ancient astrotheology, but the literal interpretation of mythology is irrational and dangerous."

by Gregory Fegel

http://gregoryfegel.sulekha.com/blog/post/2010/04/religion-the-misinterpretation-of-ancient-mythology.htm

The Least: No it was a question. I’m providing additional detail to show what I’m asking in length.
blacksho89: The question – " Is Religion the Misinterpretation of Ancient Mythology?"

I agree with your statement that wasn’t a question.

Religion: The Misinterpretation of Ancient Mythology?

"Religion: the Misinterpretation of Ancient Mythology

All of the major religions are based on an ancient astrotheology that employed metaphors and mythology to descibe the cosmos and various astronomical phenomena. The ancient astrotheology began in the Upper Paleolithic and it spread with the migrations of humankind throughout the world. The beliefs of the ancient astrotheology were originally relatively consistent throughout the various human cultures of the world, but regional variations developed that became the major religions.

Gradually, people everywhere forgot the original meaning of the metaphors and mythologies of the ancient astrotheology, and they now interpret those metaphors and mythologies in ways that show no comprehension of the original meaning. Jesus Christ/Yeshe Krishna is obviously the sun god, but many modern Christians and Hindus believe that Christ/Krishna was once a real person who walked the earth.

Not realizing that their interpretation of their own religion’s mythology is a false interpretation, people hold superstitions, prejudices, and erroneous world-views based on their misinterpretations of their own religion’s mythology. For example, many Christians believe that no one can attain ‘Salvation’ without accepting Jesus Christ (the mythological sun god) as their ‘Personal Savior’.

In the cycle of the Precession of the Equinoxes, it takes seventy-two years for the Equinoxes to precess backward one degree of the three hundred and sixty degrees of the ecliptic, the path of the sun. That is the astrotheological meaning of the ‘seventy-two virgins’ that the Islamic hero recieves in Paradise.

The sun god Jesus Christ ‘walked on water’ because the people of the ancient world saw the ecliptic, the path of the sun, as an interface between the cosmic sky and the cosmic sea. Greek mythology described the personified constellation of Orion, which is bisected at the waist by the ecliptic, as walking in the ocean up to his waist, with his upper body in the sky.

Throughout history wars, persecutions, and oppression have been perpetrated as a result of the misinterpretation of mythology. All of the recieved literatures of the major religions contain some philosophical content that provides ethical advice for human affairs. The philosophical traditions of the major religions may be appreciated without accepting the mythological traditions. One can appreciate the philosophies of the "Sermon on the Mount" or of the Bhagavad Gita without believing that Jesus Christ or Yeshe Krishna ever lived on earth or anywhere else.

Religious believers who interpret mythology as the literal truth have failed to understand the metaphors of the original astrotheology that composed the myths. As a result, the believers of misconstrued mythologies maintain a world-view that perpetuates fantasies, superstitions, and prejudices based on a misinterpretation of the ancient mythologies.

The mythological content of the traditional religions should correctly be interpreted as ancient astrotheology — not as the literal truth of gods, supermen, and theriomorphs. Nor are the mythologies an embellished history of real people and their exploits. The records and artworks of the ancient mythologies can provide scholars with insights into the ancient astrotheology, but the literal interpretation of mythology is irrational and dangerous."

by Gregory Fegel

http://gregoryfegel.sulekha.com/blog/post/2010/04/religion-the-misinterpretation-of-ancient-mythology.htm

Glad I’m not the only one who has heard of astrotheology.

What is Astrotheology?

Astrotheology is the study of the astrological origins of religion; how gods, godessess, and demons are personifications of astrological phenomena such as lunar elipses, planetary alignments, and apparent interactions of planetary bodies with stars. Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, and the ancient Egyptian religions are examples of faiths claimed to be derived from observations of the bodies on the celestial sphere. Examples of deities said to be created as astrological allegories include Yahweh, Ra, Horus, Osiris, Mithras, Zoroaster, Helios, Apollo, Lugh, and Quetzalcoatl.

The term astro-theology is used in the context of 18th to 19th century scholarship aiming at the discovery of the original religion, particularly primitive monotheism. In contradistinction to astrolatry, which unambiguously implies a polytheism frowned upon as idolatrous by Christian authors since Eusebius, astrotheology is any "religious system founded upon the observation of the heavens",and as such may include monotheism.

This refers to the worship of stars and other heavenly bodies as deities, or the association of deities with heavenly bodies. The most common instances of this are sun gods and moon gods in polytheistic systems worldwide. Also notable is the association of the planets with deities in Babylonian, and hence in Greco-Roman religion, viz. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The term astro-theology appears in the title of a 1714 work by William Derham, Astro-theology: or, A demonstration of the being and attributes of God, from a survey of the heavens based on the author’s observations by means of "Mr. Huygens’ Glass”.

The 2010 Astrotheology Calendar

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Why do Christians claim atheists can’t prove god doesn’t exist?

While you can’t prove that something that doesn’t exist doesn’t exist, we are able to go back and see what these myths were based upon. Which after you do enough studying they were clearly based upon astrotheology and shamanism (drug use.)

Of course Christians are in total denial about their ancient book of pagan tales of astronomy, astrology, and getting high off of the forbidden fruit, the manna from heaven, the bread of life, Mushroom Jesus… these stories can all be logically explained without the need for any supernatural fictional super heroes or big daddies in the sky. So please before you claim that nobody can prove "god" doesn’t exist please realize that many of us know the myths and the origins of the myths that these stories were based upon.
Mary Jane the Old Testament "God" is the planet Saturn, which isn’t actually a planet at all, it’s a burnt out sun/star. It’s known as the Black Sun, The Dark Star. It’s represented by the black cube, and the black square. This is why Jews worship their god on SATURNday and Christians worship the New SUN or New Testament on SUNday of course. If you go look up the Grateful Dead cover band Dark Star Orchestra, you’ll see that one of their popular logos is the name of their band inside the planet Saturn. This is common esoteric knowledge, and the Romans used to celebrate Saturnalia right around the same time we celebrate Christmas the rebirth of the Sun.
Gravy Baybee… the walking on water bunkum is about the reflection of the SUN walking on the water… or reflecting off of the water. Jesus besides being a mushroom in the bible is also a personification of the SUN, the sun in the astrological Age of Pisces to be more specific.
Birdsflies, Christians follow a totally bogus interpretation of the story of the garden of eden, the serpent, the tree, and the snake are the real god, together they create the Caduceus which is a symbol of psychedelic enlightenment, and is now our symbol for medicine. The snake represents the wisdom of the pharmacia, not Satan… did Moses put Satan on a stick and heal people with satan? The tyrannical evil god that wanted to keep everyone ignorant is the Satan of the story and this is how the ancient people that wrote these tales interpreted these stories… not that garbage the church teaches you.

Only ignorant or stupid people deny God’existence.

Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Heb 3:4 (For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.)

PS : Jesus Loves U !!!

Jesus the SUN of God.?

Now this is Astrotheology in its purest form.

John 8:12 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (KJV)

Can a Christian "logically" explain this to me.

darkness has always bee equated with ignorance or lack-of-knowledge.

While light has always been illumination of your soul.

Are the atheists the only ones that know about this

That all religions came from………..
Take a look at thishttp://www.yoism.org/images/YoJesusOfTheMushrooms.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Astrotheology-Shamanism-Unveiling-Christianity-Religions/dp/1585091073

and post your thoughts

Christians why do you think Jesus is above those mushrooms?
Christians why do you think Jesus is above those mushrooms?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_014/fresco_mushjroom.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_014/entheogens.htm&h=459&w=600&sz=251&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=V5xovgZ6kDGoaM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djesus%2Bmushroom%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26sa%3DN

http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_014/fresco_mushjroom.jpg

The “forbidden fruit” mentioned in Genesis is also analogous to the later church-banned mushroom. The “fruit” opened the minds of the eaters and brought forth knowledge and loss of innocence. A 12 th century church in France depicts the forbidden fruit tree of Genesis as amanita muscaria mushroom bunch surrounded by Adam and Eve Just as the U.S. government quickly stopped its citizens from having mind-expanding substances in the 1960’s (under the guise of public safety,) the early Christian Church expunged this practice as well to keep a power hold over the citizenry (under threat of death.)
Sandra , no I am not that guy.

To the first person that answered, I do not do drugs.My only drug is Knowledge, that is what you obvioulsy lack

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