Astrotheology

Fill in the blanks and correct this for me, no Christians please. Christianity is too detached from this.?

The name Lucifer means "light" (enlightenment). He is symbolized by the serpent, the symbol of wisdom. He wanted man to eat from the tree of wisdom, know good and evil, and become gods. When mankind built the Tower of Babel, God destroyed it and mixed up their language, so that they couldn’t become gods. The Bible was written falsely, based off older religions, which were based off astrotheology. The church did this for control, they created an enemy, Satan, who wanted to free man. The church, by doing this, turned freedom and enlightenment into an evil thing, and made anybody working for these goals into an enemy, having them executed.
God is in a good mood is a perfect example of the control the church wanted to get out of this.
I didn’t call Christians detached. I said they’re too detached from what I have to say.

"no Christians please" O.K. I’ll go make myself a cup of tea..

where does the words minister, pastor, monastary, soloman, come from etymologically?

does this mean that christians are really studying astrotheology?

The word minister is etymologically rooted in a Latin word meaning "to serve," "to be a servant," or "to be near at hand to offer assistance."

The usage of pastor comes from its use in the Bible. In the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament), the Hebrew word רעה (raʿah) is used. The word is used 173 times and can describe the feeding of sheep as in Genesis 29:7 or the spiritual feeding of human beings as in Jeremiah 3:15.

The word monastery comes from the Greek μοναστήριον "monasterion", from the root "monos" = alone (originally all Christian monks were hermits), and the suffix "-terion" = place for doing something.

These words have Latin, Hebrew, and Greek derivatives. I don’t see how these point to Christians studying Astrothrology.

Has anyone else realised that religion is just the worship of astrology?

Ive been comparing the story of Horus with the story of Jesus.These so called saviours lived 3000 yrs apart yet have the same story to tell.We worship the same gods as the ancient Egyptians.For example when the North African rains came they would flow downhill into the north of the country thus flooding the nile delta and its tributaries.The ancient Egyptians realised this flooding although bringing devastation was also a so called godsend as it fertalized the surrounding area by laying down fresh minerals( and weve all heard how fertile the soil was supposed to be around the nile delta),thus bringing new life and washing away the old.What im getting at though is this- They used to call this event/celebration ‘The arga-noa’ which means a ‘wet moon’ as the moon was in its lower quarter and thus resembles an ark.Therfore this is where we get the christian story af noahs ark or the arga-noa,its just a story about the positioning of celestial bodies in the heavens or astrotheology.

Some interesting observations, but this is a somewhat spurious and half finished piece of research.

I respectfully suggest that you go back and study both religions in greater detail to discover the multiple differences, not least of which is that Judaism and Christianity are monotheistic whereas ancient Egyptian religion was polytheistic.

The true christianity that was wiped out?

The early christians were mystics/spiritualists, but the Roman church had taken them out and made people believe in controlling doctrines-which continues till today. The Byzantine Eastern Orthodox church kept the mystic elements until 1666-67 where Patriarch Nikon of Russia forced the russian people to believe in a roman type controlling doctrine system. The Old believers became separate from the new Roman controlling type orthodox chruch of russia (the rest of orthodox church was converted to Islam, except eastern europe). I am not supporting Dan Brown’s belief that gnosticism is purer form of Christianity, it is the mysticisms spiritualities combines that make up the truth of Western and Eastern civilization. Thus to truly understand Jesus’ teaching (if Jesus was real or not does not matter, cause the New Testament was written by mystics and it has an important spiritual mystic messages) is to delve into astrotheology and mysticism. The mainstream religion i spacked with lies, deceit, and a desire for control.

You are partially correct. The parallels in the majority of the extant Christian writings point either to the "outer mysteries" of Greek mythology or to gnosticim. However, the RCC has destroyed so many historical documents that it would be virtually impossible to reconstruct original Christianity with certainty.

Christians or any other religious practicioners should consider practicing mysticsm?

If one does not want to buldge from their religious belief system, I think this person should incorporate spiritual aspects into their faith. For westerners it’ll be mysticism, while the East religions already contains mystic/spiritual elements. Mainstream Western religion is controlling and is built on lies, mysticism will gear someone more towards spiritual truth. When one goes into mysticism one discovers that the western religions are filled with astrotheological elements and alchemical (alchemy being experimentation with altered states of consciousness, and the ‘other’ alchemy being the concoction of a substance that is consumed gives one ‘immortality) elements ( astrotheology-Jesus being the "sun god", the sun representing "enlightenment", the Hebrews being originially ‘hedonistic’ choosing the fish god Dagon to become "Jehovah" etc.). For the Christian/Muslim what I say is true, it is not of this ‘devil’ you speak of. The Judaic religions heavily borrowed themes of astrology and paganism- it is entirely proven. And so if one were to go into mysticism and study they would discover.

I am proposing becoming a mystic due to experimenting of whether the spiritual realm/powers is/are real.

Though there are thinkers past and present who say spirituality and religion is delusional and spiritual experiences being caused by only physical mind alterations. This may be true but the only way to find out is to make a well carried out study (the inductive experimentation of Francis Bacon) into ESP and such. If there are already studies like this I would like people to refer me to them.

Considering I already practice witchcraft, study astrology, read Tarot, and would like to learn other forms of mysticism, I’d say I’m set…You said any religious practitioners, right? Well, Wicca counts, doesn’t it? Oh…you meant Abrahamic religious people…My mistake. You should really be more specific.

Also, what was your question?
Venus Bless

The Evemerist vs Mythicist Position?

From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160

The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position

The Evemerist Position:

"Evemerism represents the perspective that many of the gods and goddesses of antiquity had been real people, such as kings, queens and other heroes and legendary figures, to whose biographies were later added extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes."

vs.

The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

and your question is……………..

What’s the Mythicist Position?

From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160

The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

Lots of verbiage, but it seems that you are asking if characters mentioned in Christianity are derived from characters in earlier religions. Of course, the main tenets and stories of Christianity are obviously copied from different religions that preceded it. All religions are derivative.

What is the Mythicist Position?

From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160

The Mythicist Position:

"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."

Neat.

If you try to deny the entire bible’s validity based on the…?

argument that christians believe the bible when it says the earth is 6000 years old… would the notion of a Great Year (as used in ancient astrotheology) of being over 25,000 years and applied to the number 6000 make a seemingly ludicrous fact a little more plausible when taken not in a STRICTLY LITERAL sense? just thinking…
i can see once again that a point has been hit a little too high out over the stands in this crowd, so i’ll try the, boring, direct approach: people who use the label of literalism to discredit other people’s thought and who are guilty of the same kind of literalist translation to support their discrediting, should probably drop the stones right now.
let’s try again. it’s not the facts in question here. it’s the rhetorical dynamic used to question the argument that is flawed. this is precisely what i’m trying to point out. you can’t defeat an argument if the argument you use to defeat an argument is flawed itself. p effin s: drop your weapons and wave your hands in the air like you just don’t care!!!
why can’t we all just accept one another and love one another and not demand that all of us become what all of us want all of us others to become and have some drinks and some laughs together instead of all this s**t? go away!!!

The Bible DOESN’T SAY the earth is 6000 years old… two nuts, Lightfoot and Ussher, from the 17th century (several others published similar numbers around the same time) said that and unfortunately, it seems to have stuck. The Bible makes no such statement.

… Arriving at such a claim requires doing a significant disservice to the text, taking numerous passages out of their contexts, and applying grossly improper exegetical methods.

Modern people who believe this read it into the scriptures rather than discover it through an exposition of those scriptures…

May i Pwn "god" and religion please?

First heaven if you look in a dictionary or have read any books on astronomy is known as space… so good luck getting there.

second Lucifer is the planet venus, the morning star, i wont go into much detail you can look it up… but it was known as lucifer in babylon and rome. this would be the reason why lucifer was a beautiful angel because he was the planet of beauty… venus.

Third, Jesus had no historicity what so ever outside of the bible… and when we look into astrology and astral or astrotheology we see the jesus was nothing more than an allegorical sun deity-(check the web if interested also some good books are:
Who was Jesus: Finger Prints of Christ- D.M. Murdock (aka Acharya S)
Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha, and Christ unveiled- Acharya S
The Christ Conspiracy: Acharya S
Christ In Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection-D.M. Murdock
The Worlds Sixteen Crucified Saviors-Kersey Graves
Jesus Christ Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism-David Fideler

fourth- god was in pagan times thought of as a male in the sky, because the rain was thought to have been semen from god which fertilized mother earth.

fifth- hell was known as the underworld, which was literally underneath mother earth in ancient times, we now know the earth is not flat, therefore no hell. you can also research this.

sixth- hypothetically if god were real and he gave us commandments to keep, why would he then brake them?

COMMANDMENT #6) Thou shall not kill- "God" killed over 2 million people in the bible that are known of, however it is estimated that he killed close to 33 million people.=PWNED.

COMMANDMENT #7) Thou shall not commit adultery- "God" forced Mary to commit adultery with Joseph (even though they were not married yet, "God" knew they would be, you dont do that man), when he impregnated her, with jesus.= PWNED, and a rapist.

COMMADNMENT #8) Thou shall not steal- Most of "God’s" fairy tales in the bible, came from other civilizations, thousands of years older than xtianity. Not to mention, jesus’ birthday, is on the same day as like what, 10 other gods i believe.= EPICLY PWNED.

COMMANDMENT #10) Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife- As mentioned earlier, "God" nailed Mary, and even though he knew they were not married yet, since he is an all knowing being, he knew they would have gotten married, what a dick.= PWNED.

In closing, your god is false and not of original thoughts, he was created by man, to control and manipulate the masses.

have i successfully pwned said "god"?
wild thang- the commandments part is from my first account (atheistic astrologer). but it got deleted, these are my words.

OHHHHHHHHH SNAP

That shit was like hooked on phonics for debunking christianity
Very nice I don’t think it’ll help tho. a religious person reading that is like a kid discovering his parents putting presents under the tree and he still believes in santa. You can’t reason with normalized insanity NO MATTER HOW BLATANTLY YOU PUT IT.