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The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position
The Evemerist Position:
"Evemerism represents the perspective that many of the gods and goddesses of antiquity had been real people, such as kings, queens and other heroes and legendary figures, to whose biographies were later added extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes."
vs.
The Mythicist Position:
"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "Astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."
and your question is……………..
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From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160
The Mythicist Position:
"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astroTheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."
Lots of verbiage, but it seems that you are asking if characters mentioned in Christianity are derived from characters in earlier religions. Of course, the main tenets and stories of Christianity are obviously copied from different Religions that preceded it. All religions are derivative.
From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160
The Mythicist Position:
"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "Astrotheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."
Neat.
argument that christians believe the bible when it says the earth is 6000 years old… would the notion of a Great Year (as used in ancient astroTheology) of being over 25,000 years and applied to the number 6000 make a seemingly ludicrous fact a little more plausible when taken not in a STRICTLY LITERAL sense? just thinking…
i can see once again that a point has been hit a little too high out over the stands in this crowd, so i’ll try the, boring, direct approach: people who use the label of literalism to discredit other people’s thought and who are guilty of the same kind of literalist translation to support their discrediting, should probably drop the stones right now.
let’s try again. it’s not the facts in question here. it’s the rhetorical dynamic used to question the argument that is flawed. this is precisely what i’m trying to point out. you can’t defeat an argument if the argument you use to defeat an argument is flawed itself. p effin s: drop your weapons and wave your hands in the air like you just don’t care!!!
why can’t we all just accept one another and love one another and not demand that all of us become what all of us want all of us others to become and have some drinks and some laughs together instead of all this s**t? go away!!!
The Bible DOESN’T SAY the earth is 6000 years old… two nuts, Lightfoot and Ussher, from the 17th century (several others published similar numbers around the same time) said that and unfortunately, it seems to have stuck. The Bible makes no such statement.
… Arriving at such a claim requires doing a significant disservice to the text, taking numerous passages out of their contexts, and applying grossly improper exegetical methods.
Modern people who believe this read it into the scriptures rather than discover it through an exposition of those scriptures…
First heaven if you look in a dictionary or have read any books on astronomy is known as space… so good luck getting there.
second Lucifer is the planet venus, the morning star, i wont go into much detail you can look it up… but it was known as lucifer in babylon and rome. this would be the reason why lucifer was a beautiful angel because he was the planet of beauty… venus.
Third, Jesus had no historicity what so ever outside of the bible… and when we look into astrology and astral or Astrotheology we see the jesus was nothing more than an allegorical sun deity-(check the web if interested also some good books are:
Who was Jesus: Finger Prints of Christ- D.M. Murdock (aka Acharya S)
Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha, and Christ unveiled- Acharya S
The Christ Conspiracy: Acharya S
Christ In Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection-D.M. Murdock
The Worlds Sixteen Crucified Saviors-Kersey Graves
Jesus Christ Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism-David Fideler
fourth- god was in pagan times thought of as a male in the sky, because the rain was thought to have been semen from god which fertilized mother earth.
fifth- hell was known as the underworld, which was literally underneath mother earth in ancient times, we now know the earth is not flat, therefore no hell. you can also research this.
sixth- hypothetically if god were real and he gave us commandments to keep, why would he then brake them?
COMMANDMENT #6) Thou shall not kill- "God" killed over 2 million people in the bible that are known of, however it is estimated that he killed close to 33 million people.=PWNED.
COMMANDMENT #7) Thou shall not commit adultery- "God" forced Mary to commit adultery with Joseph (even though they were not married yet, "God" knew they would be, you dont do that man), when he impregnated her, with jesus.= PWNED, and a rapist.
COMMADNMENT #8) Thou shall not steal- Most of "God’s" fairy tales in the bible, came from other civilizations, thousands of years older than xtianity. Not to mention, jesus’ birthday, is on the same day as like what, 10 other gods i believe.= EPICLY PWNED.
COMMANDMENT #10) Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife- As mentioned earlier, "God" nailed Mary, and even though he knew they were not married yet, since he is an all knowing being, he knew they would have gotten married, what a dick.= PWNED.
In closing, your god is false and not of original thoughts, he was created by man, to control and manipulate the masses.
have i successfully pwned said "god"?
wild thang- the commandments part is from my first account (atheistic astrologer). but it got deleted, these are my words.
OHHHHHHHHH SNAP
That shit was like hooked on phonics for debunking christianity
Very nice I don’t think it’ll help tho. a religious person reading that is like a kid discovering his parents putting presents under the tree and he still believes in santa. You can’t reason with normalized insanity NO MATTER HOW BLATANTLY YOU PUT IT.
Why is it not obvious to people that Jesus is simply the continuation of the Egyptian god Horus, respun for Jews via Old Testament exegesis? Even the birth story is straight out of Astrotheology. Revelation is also obviously astrotheological.
Most historians will not admit this, but, most historians are Christians, so I wouldn’t expect them to be unbiased on this point. They start with the assumption Jesus was god incarnate and go from there, so of course they are never going to reach the straightforward conclusion.
This knowledge has existed for well over a 100 years, long before the Zeitgeist movie began to popularize it.
Let’s see:
Horus
–noun Egyptian Religion.
a solar deity, regarded as either the son or the brother of Isis and Osiris, and usually represented as a falcon or as a man with the head of a falcon.
Jesus
–noun
1.Also called Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth. born 4? b.c., crucified a.d. 29?, the source of the Christian religion.
2.(“the Son of Sirach”) the author of the Apocryphal book of Ecclesiasticus, who lived in the 3rd century b.c.
3.Christian Science. the supreme example of
God’s nature expressed through human beings.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . no, sorry, I just don’t see it. Maybe some other random thing, like apple?
Apple
–noun
1.the usually round, red or yellow, edible fruit of a small tree, Malus sylvestris, of the rose family.
2.the tree, cultivated in most temperate regions.
3.the fruit of any of certain other species of tree of the same genus.
4.any of these trees.
5.any of various other similar fruits, or fruitlike products or plants, as the custard apple, love apple, May apple, or oak apple.
6.anything resembling an apple in size and shape, as a ball, esp. a baseball.
7.Bowling. an ineffectively bowled ball.
8.Slang. a red capsule containing a barbiturate, esp. secobarbital.
no, not there either. Maybe if you look long enough and . . . . put on some rose colored glasses you will see whatever the hell you want?
Fill in the blanks and correct this for me, no Christians please. Christianity is too detached from this.?
The name Lucifer means "light" (enlightenment). He is symbolized by the serpent, the symbol of wisdom. He wanted man to eat from the tree of wisdom, know good and evil, and become gods. When mankind built the Tower of Babel, God destroyed it and mixed up their language, so that they couldn’t become gods. The Bible was written falsely, based off older Religions, which were based off astroTheology. The church did this for control, they created an enemy, Satan, who wanted to free man. The church, by doing this, turned freedom and enlightenment into an evil thing, and made anybody working for these goals into an enemy, having them executed.
God is in a good mood is a perfect example of the control the church wanted to get out of this.
I didn’t call Christians detached. I said they’re too detached from what I have to say.
"no Christians please" O.K. I’ll go make myself a cup of tea..
‘the true knowledge has become abundant in the time of the end.’—Daniel 12:4.
http://freethoughtnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=322:most-americans-hip-to-easters-real-meaning&catid=47:astroTheology
"thank you ISHTAR BUNNY!" HEHEHE….Fertility cults of mystery Babylon Yeah babble on, and ON the subject of some one else profiting from your ignorance.
What does The fertility rights of Rabbits, Colored Eggs, Ishtar Bonnets…have to do with our Lord and King Jesus Christ?
What is the origin of Easter and the customs associated with it?
The Encyclopædia Britannica comments: “There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the apostolic Fathers. The sanctity of special times was an idea absent from the minds of the first Christians.”—(1910), Vol. VIII, p. 828.
The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us: “A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility.”—(1913), Vol. V, p. 227.
In the book The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, we read: “What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, . . . as found by Layard on the Assyrian monuments, is Ishtar. . . . Such is the history of Easter. The popular observances that still attend the period of its celebration amply confirm the testimony of history as to its Babylonian character. The hot cross buns of Good Friday, and the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday, figured in the Chaldean rites just as they do now.”—(New York, 1943), pp. 103, 107, 108; compare Jeremiah 7:18.
Beliefs and Customs That Displease God : http://www.watchtower.org/e/rq/article_11.htm
Are you aware that this "same" tale is found in other mythologies and is part of the solar mythos and one of many stories taken from AstroTheology concerning various prior "sungods" existing thousands of years before the New Testament’s Jesus?
Are you aware that long before the Christian era, Dionysus/Bacchus was said to turn water into wine?
To some extent Dionysus and Christ had many things in common. Christ was also associated with blood and the vine, and many myths and attributes of Dionysus were used in early Christian iconography.
Why dont you read the details.
yea.
you believe what you want. i will too. i believe in the truth.
From: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2160
The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position
The Evemerist Position:
"Evemerism represents the perspective that many of the gods and goddesses of antiquity had been real people, such as kings, queens and other heroes and legendary figures, to whose biographies were later added extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes."
vs.
The Mythicist Position:
"Mythicism represents the perspective that many gods, goddesses and other heroes and legendary figures said to possess extraordinary and/or supernatural attributes are not "real people" but are in fact mythological characters. Along with this view comes the recognition that many of these figures personify or symbolize natural phenomena, such as the sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations, etc., constituting what is called "astroTheology." As a major example of the mythicist position, various biblical characters such as Adam and Eve, Satan, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, Solomon & Jesus Christ, among other figures, in reality represent mythological characters along the same lines as the Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian, Greek, Roman and other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths, rather than historical figures."
This has been passe for about 30 years now, since the updating and revisionist view of Fraser’s Golden Bough as acomplished by Rene Girard.
This is only 6 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HS3wD0HNfI&feature=channel