Why do Christians claim atheists can’t prove god doesn’t exist?
While you can’t prove that something that doesn’t exist doesn’t exist, we are able to go back and see what these myths were based upon. Which after you do enough studying they were clearly based upon astrotheology and shamanism (drug use.)
Of course Christians are in total denial about their ancient book of pagan tales of astronomy, astrology, and getting high off of the forbidden fruit, the manna from heaven, the bread of life, Mushroom Jesus… these stories can all be logically explained without the need for any supernatural fictional super heroes or big daddies in the sky. So please before you claim that nobody can prove "god" doesn’t exist please realize that many of us know the myths and the origins of the myths that these stories were based upon.
Mary Jane the Old Testament "God" is the planet Saturn, which isn’t actually a planet at all, it’s a burnt out sun/star. It’s known as the Black Sun, The Dark Star. It’s represented by the black cube, and the black square. This is why Jews worship their god on SATURNday and Christians worship the New SUN or New Testament on SUNday of course. If you go look up the Grateful Dead cover band Dark Star Orchestra, you’ll see that one of their popular logos is the name of their band inside the planet Saturn. This is common esoteric knowledge, and the Romans used to celebrate Saturnalia right around the same time we celebrate Christmas the rebirth of the Sun.
Gravy Baybee… the walking on water bunkum is about the reflection of the SUN walking on the water… or reflecting off of the water. Jesus besides being a mushroom in the bible is also a personification of the SUN, the sun in the astrological Age of Pisces to be more specific.
Birdsflies, Christians follow a totally bogus interpretation of the story of the garden of eden, the serpent, the tree, and the snake are the real god, together they create the Caduceus which is a symbol of psychedelic enlightenment, and is now our symbol for medicine. The snake represents the wisdom of the pharmacia, not Satan… did Moses put Satan on a stick and heal people with satan? The tyrannical evil god that wanted to keep everyone ignorant is the Satan of the story and this is how the ancient people that wrote these tales interpreted these stories… not that garbage the church teaches you.
Only ignorant or stupid people deny God’existence.
Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Heb 3:4 (For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.)
PS : Jesus Loves U !!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MAUovXhH7w
That explains a lot
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but christains also cant prove HE DOES exist can they? its kinda sad that people are actually fighting over such a small issue as race or religion
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I would like the christians Muslims and Jews combined show me the big guy in the sky!
Anyone?
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Because they can’t prove God exists.lol
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Nothing has really been proven either way—that’s why there is such a vast array of beliefs.
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to affirm a negative is an illogical position…most Christians have had personal experience which isn’t good enough for atheists to consider as proof…but it enough proof for us…
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I don’t believe in the bible, and adam and eve etc..science has proven enough..but I don’t rule out that something is out there..whatever it is.
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Same as Chrstians can prove that God does exist.
I think with alot of respect to belivers and non-belivers that youd be pretty ignorant to rule or both science and spiritual matters in life.
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because they have faith without proof. I’m quite jealous of that.
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I thought this was just going to be another anti-christian rant. Almost didn’t read it, glad I did.
Oh, and to make this a valid answer, christians believe they can’t possibly be wrong. If anyone were to really find undeniable proof their god doesn’t exist, everything they cling to in their fear of ceasing to be would be destroyed.
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there is more literature written about jesus than julius ceaser…the literature found about jesus was written while jesus was around and a lot of the stuff written about julius ceaser was written after he had died…no one doubts that julius ceaser lived….
how do you explain walking on water?? i can understand you explaining that some of these miracles happened by chance…but when they are all performed by the same person at the exact time he commanded them….it seems a bit unlikely that he just "got lucky" every single time.
although i suppose you believe the world we live in happened by chance.
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Wait a second. While I mostly agree with you and I myself am a non believer I have to point out that we can prove the bible is untrue, we can prove Christ is a myth and many other things, but we cannot prove there is no force in the universe called god. i dont believe in it, but I cannot prove there is nothing as such. The truth is that none of us knows, and to be honest I dont feel the need to give myself comfort "searching"for answers seen as I am perfectly happy the way I am.
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go suck on a dildo loser you people are immoral child molesters
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Exactly, if all the myths and stories of the bible have been proved false (6 day creation, young earth, instant creation of animals in their present form, parting of the red sea, etc), then the central tenet that these stories were supposed to testify to; that God exists, should also be discarded.
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First of all, a lot of Christian’s also know "the myths and the origins of the myths that these stories were based upon." but we chose to believe anyway. Is it not possible that even though some of the stories were based on myths that God was still presenting Himself to us through the story?
Secondly, the Bible is a way to get to know God but that is not all there is to being a Christian. Even if the Bible is completely false there may still be a God that you can have a relationship with through prayer.
Thirdly, please don’t group all Christians in the same category as far as knowledge goes. Just like I won’t assume you are ignorant just because you are an atheist. There are many different branches of Christianity and you should judge all of them just because of the radical views of one of them. That would be like hanging an entire country for a crime committed by one person.
Finally, I know that I cannot prove the God does exist and I am okay with that. Why don’t you just accept that you can’t prove that he doesn’t? Trying to prove God doesn’t exist would be like trying to prove love doesn’t exist. It can’t be proven either way but the people who feel they are in love feel sad for those who don’t believe in it. Just like as I Christian I am sad for you that you have decided not to open yourself to the works of the Lord.
EDIT: I wanted to address a point I read in the other answers because I found it quite interesting. It was as follows:
"christians believe they can’t possibly be wrong. If anyone were to really find undeniable proof their god doesn’t exist, everything they cling to in their fear of ceasing to be would be destroyed."
I just want to point out that most Christians do not believe through fear. Also, I would be sad if God did not exist but I would not regret believing because I have built amazing relationships through the church and believing in God has made me a better and stronger person. If God did not exist I would not lose any of that. I have no fear of ceasing to be because if I die and there is nothing I will have lost nothing in my belief but if there is a God through my belief I will have gained everything.
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Those who believe only in themselves are creation of their own defeat. Don’t they even know that they are born and breed by their parents, with support of other people goodwill, that allow them to live freely. As such person are just plainly flushed up by their own EGO. Just a ballon full of air, by not being humble to all fellow beings, accepting others to be left with their own believe and practices.
There is no way one is able to repay their parents for all the food, clothing and shelter, when they are defenceless as babies. So the God is our mother and father who has choose to bring us up without asking anything in return, except some gratitude and a ‘promise’ to be a good human being.
As such there is god if one choose to be rightous and good or else be a’DOG’????? they too have such a wonderful character of being ‘man’ best friend, such a shame human at times are seriously lacking.
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Your own statement shows me that you don’t know anything, Because you don’t even know what the forbidden fruit is, If you want to complain about the bible, Why not read Gen. 1: 29-30 & Gen. 2:16. Gen 1: 11-12, These verses says That EVERY TREE was good for food, But the tree of knowledge of good & evil, touch it not, so we have to see what these 2 trees was, The tree of life & the tree of knowledge of good & evil that was in the midst of the garden & these 2 trees did not grow out of the ground, so what was these 2 trees, They were 2 laws of reproduction, If Eve had waited for that time cycle to set in her body then she would have went to Adam & said it is now time to produce another offspring of God that will be born with eternal life, Because she would have partake from the tree of life, But since satan enticed the serpent which was a upright creature, & the serpent enticed Eve to partake of a relationship out of God’s due time frame then she partook from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, which she was conceived by the serpent & she had Cain, & when she went to Adam & he partook of the same tree, Then Eve was conceived also of Abel. Yes 2 conceptions about the same time.
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Only ignorant or stupid people deny God’existence.
Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Heb 3:4 (For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.)
PS : Jesus Loves U !!!
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can you read ?? want proof ..it’s all over http://www.cynet.com/Jesus/prophecy/ntquoted.htm
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It’s all right,God gave free will so there should not be any arguing.
However the fact is science and logic will never explain everything….man ‘the epitome/zenith’ of evolution cannot and never will know everything there is to know and that is a fact that does not even touch spiritual aspects.
Man exists in a finite universe already created(himself included) man only creates from existing physical,chemical biological matter and only observes phenomena but cannot create anything ‘ex nihilo’ out of non existance or out of nothing.That said man can never prove himself any greater than he already is.If he could then God would exist as a man creating things and doing everything ‘God’ could do.Such a man did exist but only in a Christian construct….since atheists don’t beleive…. then they cannot replicate that feat.
The burden of proof lies squarely with atheists really coz Christians accept God on faith not proof .The huge rub is that for atheists man with all his logic,physical and temporal limitations cannot express themselves infinitely within their means let alone proving an infinite entity outside their imagination….while christians feel secure that their ‘God’ can prove himself through finite means(already did so as a man) and always does as spirit
Christians don’t claim that ‘atheists can’t prove that God does not exist’, it’s atheists trying hard to do prove that he doesn’t (to convince themselves that they are right) and to convince the rest…which frankly they cannot do if they ever are fair to themselves.
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You’ve got it backwards….the Bible is the original, true Word of God that all false, pagan religions are based on, copied from or in many cases, contrary to and pagan religions deify the creation rather than the Creator of all things which the Bible clearly states in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11…..God, in His Triune form of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, formed the heavens and the earth and all that is in them from the beginning. The evidence of a Creator is all around us….all non-natural creations require a Creator. Life does not arise from non-living materials through natural processes, so it must have been created. The universe had a beginning….it cannot have existed forever and since neither energy nor matter can be created or destroyed according to the laws of nature, they must have been created.
The fact is that most true historians accept that Jesus was a historical figure and the Bible tells us that He fulfilled over 300 ancient, accurate prophecies regarding His birth, life, death and resurrection….no other figure in history can claim this and the odds of this happening in one man’s life are impossible to occur by chance, they prove that God’s Word is true, that God see’s history before it happens and can inspire men to write it.
The Bible was written by some of the most learned men of their time….Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible and he was raised as Pharoah’s son, David and Solomon wrote several books and they were kings of Israel, Luke, a physician, wrote a 1/4 of the New Testament and is regarded as a historian of the highest order by many. There are many historical, archeological findings that agree with the Biblical stories…the city of Tyre was destroyed as prophecied, Jerusalem was destroyed twice as prophecied….the second time in 70 AD, many years after it was foretold and written in the New Testament. Pagan holidays and cultural issues of early times were incorporated into church culture when Christianity became the dominant religion in some areas a the few centuries after it’s foundation. Were the Bible truly a collection of false, pagan tales it would have been relegated to the dustbin of history as so many others are…..instead, it is the most translated, copied and produced book on earth.
The scientific passages of the Bible were written thousands of years before they were discovered by man’s knowledge in science.
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
Matthew’s story of Jesus walking on water occurred at night and during a storm contrary to your interpretation that the story reflects the SUN "walking" on water and also refers to Peter’s failed attempt to do the same.
Matthew 14:24But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
25And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
26And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
27But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
28And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
32And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
33Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
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& Just for you to know the truth
There have to be a purpose for life otherwise we will miss the peaceful path of happiness so we want to be just better everyday
So
Spiritually,
What is God? ,
What’s makes God as god? ,
What is God’s Power? ,
For all sort of these questions, I have very limited understanding so Let me give you the point. Well, just try to know, what’s makes God as god, the Power, isn’t it? So what the power can do? Ah? Well, It can give the ability to organise all things and It can give the ability to separate everything and most importantly, the Ability to control everything, Isn’t it? Isn’t it Good? Ah? So, what I try to say here is, from my hard study and research effort with the help from god, I realized that the ability to control everything, the Power of God is gradually increased in the full amount to use so, The Power of God is always the omnipotent and existed among everything so the God now is always the same omnipotent, who is organised us So how could that be possible to be perfect in perfection always, Ah…? And The Power of God, the ability is the reward for us to control everything in a proper manner, like the true God of goodness. So ~ LOVE IS THE ABILITY ~
We have to lift it up little by little towards Perfection. So
If you are humble, please… Pray to know the truth from true God by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit with great faith and. Good in Bad & Bad in Good so the values is most important. God gave us the rights to do what is right for you and sometimes, things can be right in your point of view but wrong in Public point of view so
Basically, just pray about it for the Good Answer and try to do the God’s will first always
And
I have true testimony of true God
Please, just try to understand the fundamental…
If you think, why so much trouble and pain in this world…? Then there is only one reason, without pain, No pleasure and without pleasure, no pain. So without them, we cannot enjoy this life so always we need them in our development towards the perfection of God. So-so you use pain and pleasure instead of pain and pleasure use you.
And
It is Wonderful… wonderful nature for us by the true… God. And
we all make mistakes so it is hard to look for star in daylight. So just in faith… it is possible. Like that the faith in true God. And If you think, even expert can be wrong then you have to make the fine research in all most everything so It is hard and some time, it is impossible to achieve so Why we need inappropriate action to find the owner of higher power? SO,
So, just try to understand, because of Lack of faith in true God, we do not have the great gift of understanding of things so just
understand this please.
We cannot get anything from nothing so changing something into this perfect state, we need something or someone so all things are spiritually first, to govern everything by God. So, closely, Have a look at this world of wonders of yours and then you know the truth, when you listen to your real voice and then Having a strong desire to do the best every day then stick with the best to do your best. And most importantly, try to be grateful for what you have now and try to know where you come from to have the great gift of understanding and then, have the faith to become the best winner in your life. And this is the best meaning of happy life.
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The Low of mercy cannot rob the Low of justice so God provided the way to our salvation to overcome our sin so Jesus Christ sacrifice is much needed to return to live with God, because God is perfect in perfection so Jesus Christ is our savior to pay our punishment of our sin so-so Because of the perfect love of god for you. So God gave Jesus Christ for us ~ FOR US ~
Well,
It is the time to make the great decision.
Good luck.
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If you cant prove something exists, you cant say it doesnt exist unless you want to lie.
For someone that knows Jesus personally they have experienced Jesus as best friend and savior.
An experience is never at the mercy of an arguement against that experience.
How I came to know God exists from before being a practical athiest=lived like there was no God, which was my choice because I didnt know if there was a God, as I was raised Jewish with alot of laws and a pie in the sky God that must have abandoned us 2700 years ago with the last Jewish prophet, because Jesus was only a cuss word to me as I was taught by my mom "Jesus is a liar" Yet one day I looked at the prophecies and his words=pray its important
Isaiah 9:6 "Unto us a child is born, a son is given, and he is mighty God, wonderful counselor, the everlasting father, and the prince of peace."
said to the Jewish man that came to him as recorded in John 3 "Except you repent of sin and be born again, you can not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Messiah speaks from heaven Revelation 1:1 chapter 1 verse 1 & 3:19&20 "I love you and ask you to repent of sin quickly. Behold I am at your heart door and knock to come in, ask me in and i will enter and be your friend."
so i prayed, Help me Jesus, I am sorry for even one lie and all my other sins, come into my heart and be my friend, amen."
once you do that with all your heart you will be on the right tract/things will go fine, and when they dont Jesus will be with you to help you
I pray everything works out for the best for you, David
Christian and Athiests claims against them=The arguement goes on by those without experiencing Jesus, to tell those that have that they have halucinated or live in delusions, and that Jesus words about hell torment forever in weeping for rejecting his salvation and joy beyond words and heaven too Matthew 24
Belief in God who the bible declares to be Jesus goes back to Adam and Eve, when they were promised of the one to come to forgive sins and crush satan
Genesis 3:15. Also the curse was promised that would bring things against God, including weed to bend and in time destroy ones mind, even to the point of trying to defend what is against the law (Jesus said to keep the laws of where you live Romans 15) along with dope and weeds, never before on earth now part of the curse.
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bec. they cant prove that it exists so they pass the ball to us atheists…. They shouldnt behave that way…
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Yeah, and the "little books" they ate that were sweet as honey in the mouth, but bitter in the belly. Mushrooms. The anointing oil had 9 lbs. of marijuana flowers and it was all poured on one man. Baptism came about because of the need to wash the oil off. Prophecy always began after the oil was poured on the prophet or king. Baptism stopped the experience. Thanks for the info. Some of it I haven’t heard until now.
Paul, the original is Sumerian history.
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"If you were me and I were you, I’d use your body to get to the top! You can’t stop me no matter who you are!"
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